president obama said -- meanwhile, wisconsin gov. scott walker took the side of hte unionized referees saying -- for mor eon the various sides in this dispute, we are joined by a longtime sports writer. dave, explain what is going on here. who is locked out? >> absolutely. the referees who are locked out are part-time employees of the national football league. they have historic ally had pensions. the amount it would cost to get the regular referee's back is the same amount for a 30-second super bowl ad. it would be $62,000 per team per week. the nfl owners have decided to pursue this strategy as they have brought in a series of officials who are unskilled, untrained scabs who are over their heads on an nfl field. they have no idea what they are doing. monday night crystallized in front of a national audience the problems of corporate arrogance as well as unskilled, non-union workers. >> can you explain why people like scott walker have come out in favor of the union? >> i would argue personally it is because scott walker might be a